Ex-Illuminati "Mary Anne" Interviewed by Henry Makow

On September 21, 2008, Henry Makow, on the Republic Broadcasting Network, interviewed an ex-Illuminati member named 'Mary Anne.' Here is the full interview, including a personal comment which I have added. This fascinating interview is about 45 minutes.

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With respect to what is discussed at the very end of this segment (part 3), I have posted two quotes at the bottom of this page (below the videos) which I find interesting and which I offer for general consideration.

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“Followers of The Path of High Adventure develop the Second Attention to its ultimate potential, enabling those practitioners to enlist the aid of inorganic entities, to effect transformations of the human body, and even to slow the aging process down to such an extent as to achieve relative immortality.

On the other hand, those warriors who choose to turn away from these formidable powers continue their search, rather than becoming obsessed with the glamour of the Second Attention. In time, these warriors find themselves entering that level of awareness termed the Third Attention. These are the warriors who walk the Path of Freedom, and who are also known as the Warriors of the Third Attention.”

‘Return of the Warriors’, paperback, pages 39-40, Theun Mares (1995)
(also currently published as 'The Toltec Teachings: Volume I')



“…there are many more worlds within the cocoon of man which can be assembled; some only with enormous difficulty, others with alarming ease. The phrase ‘with alarming ease’ is used very specifically, because there are many practices of our ancestors which are by any standards truly horrific. One such practice entails assembling the world of the beast and, of all possible worlds, this is one of the easiest to assemble, by virtue of the fact that man is very closely allied to animals.

It is not easy to describe in rational terms what the world of the beast really is, except to say that if this world is assembled, the warrior can adopt any animal form of his choice. However, it should be pointed out that the world of the beast contains qualities other than the animal instincts – qualities which are truly abhorrent and repulsive to our human condition. Furthermore, to assemble the world of the beast always brings about a total transfiguration or, more accurately, trans-embodiment. In other words, the warrior who has assembled the world of the beast, temporarily, but quite literally, changes into whatever animal he chooses, or any other beastlike form he may fancy.

Warriors who walk the Path of Freedom avoid these practices, for not only are they useless in the acquisition of true knowledge, but they also have the tendency to permanently colour personal power. This means that if a warrior assembles the world of the beast, his personal power is for ever afterwards tainted by the qualities of that world. It is not possible to enlarge upon this concept here, except to point out that such effects are totally undesirable to the warrior who is dedicated to walking the Path of Freedom, for by nature they are retrogressive. If these effects are accumulated through continuous practice, the warrior actually becomes ever more beastlike. It is in this weird phenomenon that many of the old legends have their basis, and in this regard the example of werewolves, although today much embellished, is not as fanciful as is generally assumed.”

‘Cry of the Eagle’, hardback, page 184, Theun Mares (1997)
(also currently published as 'The Toltec Teachings: Volume II')



Additional Information: Original audio for this interview can be found here.